ninenineninefour
Registered: Feb 26, 2012
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Posted Feb 26, 2012
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Hopefully, copyright will go away (or at least become sane), piracy will not be illigal, and musicians will realize that there are better ways to make money with music.
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JohnL
Registered: Feb 18, 2012
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Posted Feb 26, 2012
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To which aspect(s) of current copyright law do you object? What better ways are there of making money with music?
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ninenineninefour
Registered: Feb 26, 2012
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Posted March 07, 2012
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I just find it insane to charge people money for ones and zeroes... Plus, current attempts to 'stop piracy' have been moronic at best; so far all any DRM system has been able to do is annoy their own customers.
No matter what protections are in place, piracy cannot be stopped without the total restriction or destruction of the Internet. For every man-hour spent on any DRM system, a tiny fraction was spent cracking it.
Instead of trying to prevent listeners and potential customers from gaining access to your content, I think that artists should focus on other methods of making money, such as concerts, donations, memorabilia, etc.
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DaveSantucci
Registered: Feb 26, 2011
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Posted April 28, 2012
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Copyright will never go away, at least not in our lifetimes. This impacts much more than just music. Anything and everything that is an original work, created and recorded, is automatically the copyrighted creation and therefore the intellectual property of the person who created it. That includes written fiction and non-fiction, photographs (yes, every photograph on your phone and/or camera right now is your copyrighted photo and I can't copy it or publish it or distribute it without your express consent), paintings, drawings, music, movies, TV shows, etc. The list goes on and on.
There is a much bigger issue here than people who think they should be able to get all the free music they want. That bigger issue is called Intellectual Property, and Intellectual Property Rights. It goes way, way deeper than you can imagine.
Don't worry about the total destruction of the Internet. SOPA was defeated, because nobody wants unreasonable restrictions that would kill the Internet as we know it.
But if copyright ever "went away" as you put it, the entire world of entertainment media as we know it would simply cease to exist. Because if nobody owned the rights to the Intellectual Property they created, then no one would ever invest millions of dollars to make a movie again. Personally I would not invest twenty bucks making a movie if the law said that anybody could just copy it and do whatever they wanted with it. Because anybody could make money from anybody's creation. It would be the equivalent of financial anarchy, and nobody would bother to make anything worthwhile anymore. Period. (OK, sure, some people would make stuff just because they enjoy the creative act. But that stuff would never see the light of day, because it costs money to do things on a large scale and distribute it, yes, even digitally.)
Instead of trying to destroy the entire future of creative endeavors and the world of media entertainment as we know it, why don't you start using Spotify to listen to all the free music you want?
By the way, let me know if you can get your cable or satellite TV provider to stop charging your Mom money for all those ones and zeroes they send you so you can watch TV. Or your cell phone provider, they charge you every month so your phone can send and receive all those ones and zeroes. And let me know if you can get Microsoft, Apple, or any other software company to never charge you a dime for all the ones and zeroes that make your computer useable.
Of course, if Spotify wasn't around to give you free music, you could always just take your favorite song, and sit down and figure out exactly the correct order to place a massive amount of ones and zeroes in, and write it all out in the correct sequence over the next few years, and then program it into a computer or device, and there--you just re-created the digital music for free. (It would still technically be copyright infringement but nobody would know, and I would not fault you if you went through all that effort and pulled it off.) No big deal, right, it's just a bunch of ones and zeroes. Nothing worth paying for there, when anybody could just sit down and whip out the correct sequence, right?
By the way, since you believe nobody should get paid for their stuff, what's your address? I'm hungry and I could use some of the free food that's in your fridge right now. And what kind of car do you drive? I'm assuming you will give it to me for free, right? I could use a better TV as well. Can I have yours? I hope you're not going to try to prevent me from gaining access to your stuff, because that would be just like those awful musicians who think people should actually pay for stuff. I know you must be much cooler than that.
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ninenineninefour
Registered: Feb 26, 2012
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Posted May 02, 2012
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 Here's the car, if you provide the molecules to make a copy it's all yours.
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DaveSantucci
Registered: Feb 26, 2011
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Posted May 03, 2012
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Haha!!! I'll get right on that.... Hmmm. Carbon, aluminum, nickel, I'm sure there's lots of quartz in those windows... Uh oh. Is this a Saturn? Those are so hard to replicate.
I know I took my post to the ridiculous extreme to make the point, but you have a great sense of humor!! Great response. 
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kirkturnbull
Registered: March 03, 2010
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Posted July 25, 2012
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I have to say that someone saying copyright should be done away with is an idiot and that comparing binary to a car is a bigger idiot..Dave was 100% correct that the entertainment industry would collapse if it were not there... Im sorry if you think i am calling you an idiot.. But people need to make a living from selling burgers at MDs or sweeping the streets or making music... Theft is theft and it should not be allowed... do i think music industry is dirty..YES big time but it is changing with the help of people like jeff and peter and everyone at Tunecore.
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fractal
Registered: July 25, 2012
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Posted July 25, 2012
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Rather than dismiss the idea of no copyright outright, I would suggest that with all the piracy that we have right now, we may as well have no copyright. I for one, am doing just fine with tunecore and the itunes store, in spite of the fact that copycats make their own versions of my work on a regular basis. I have done nothing about them, because... well, why bother? I'm doing fine.
Artists are doing fine. Movies are making record profits. Those who understand the new paradigm are doing fine.
Changing the laws would not change the behavior that is already happening. The fact is Cory Doctorow has clearly explained the economics of this at great length, and the fact is, without the outdated copyright system that we have right now, the sky wouldn't fall. He for one, gives away every single thing he makes, for free, to anybody who wants it. but They can pay if they want and they can buy premium collector's editions of all his work. He correctly understands that what kills an artist is obscurity, not extra copies of his work all over the world, pirated or bought, that constantly advertise him to potential new paying fans.
The whole point of copyright in the first place was to spur creativity--to protect the small artists and allow them to make some money from their work.
What we have now has gone way way way way WAY beyond that initial good intentioned idea. Here we have a music industry, who before the itunes store, only sold a few dozen different albums at any given time. The hundreds of thousands or millions of works from anything more than 5-10 years previous were not being produced anymore, and there was no intention anymore to make a penny off that stuff. At least let's be realistic and work from that particular point.
I believe that to have SOME copyright protection, for a VERY LIMITED time, would not be a horrible thing, if only to prevent somebody from wholesale copying something in its entirety moments after it hits the market, and sapping profits from those who worked hard to create it. The problem is that these laws don't really prevent anything. maybe they feel good to enact, but as people here have explained, they don't really stop much from happening.
I saw an artist recently on youtube-- so... how exactly should copyright law be applied to this kid who is simply trying to be creative, and in my opinion, succeeding at it as well? I think that overall, society benefits from encouraging as much creativity as possible. It is not all about money every single day, and furthermore, real fans will support the artists they like financially in many ways, given the opportunity, especially if they want to hear more.
And we are approaching the era of nanotechnology, when EVERYTHING will be a matter of software, from cars, to cities, to houses, and so forth. People want to be creative naturally, and if you go to thingiverse, you'd see for yourself that it is perfectly possible for people to design elaborate products without the necessity of copyright protection.
I think in lieu of the outdated copyright system, if there should be any system at all, there is a lot to say for the creative commons system. It's much more reasonable and pragmatic in general.
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